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	<title>Comments on: More Petroleum Price Reforms: Move towards the Market and Higher Fuel Tax</title>
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	<description>Tracking the emerging technological, commercial, political and social revolution that is greening China's red-hot economy.</description>
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		<title>By: The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Carbon trading, taxes and putting the cart before the horse</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2008/12/07/more-petroleum-price-reforms-move-towards-the-market-and-higher-fuel-tax/#comment-27406</link>
		<dc:creator>The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Carbon trading, taxes and putting the cart before the horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gasoline (see previous posts &#8220;China Announces Dramatic Energy Price Reforms&#8221; and &#8220;More Petroleum Price Reforms: Move towards the Market and Higher Fuel Tax&#8220;), which has traditionally been kept artificially low, towards market prices through a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gasoline (see previous posts &#8220;China Announces Dramatic Energy Price Reforms&#8221; and &#8220;More Petroleum Price Reforms: Move towards the Market and Higher Fuel Tax&#8220;), which has traditionally been kept artificially low, towards market prices through a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Green Hops: Water Forum, Gasoline Price Hikes, Guangdong LED</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Green Hops: Water Forum, Gasoline Price Hikes, Guangdong LED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] room for price cuts after the government announced its liquid fuel price reforms last December (see previous post).  The price hike reportedly more than cancels out a price cut insituted in Jan 14, and comes at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] room for price cuts after the government announced its liquid fuel price reforms last December (see previous post).  The price hike reportedly more than cancels out a price cut insituted in Jan 14, and comes at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green Hops: Autos, Nukes, Agro, Recycling Woes</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2008/12/07/more-petroleum-price-reforms-move-towards-the-market-and-higher-fuel-tax/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator>The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green Hops: Autos, Nukes, Agro, Recycling Woes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reform kicked in earlier than expected.  So it turns out that the answer to our confusion (see earlier post) of how the government proposed to hike up taxes and keep fuel prices even was that they would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reform kicked in earlier than expected.  So it turns out that the answer to our confusion (see earlier post) of how the government proposed to hike up taxes and keep fuel prices even was that they would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Earley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Earley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still forming an opinion on the gas tax, and have some questions that haven't been directly addressed anywhere.  Basically, as you have stated, the tax is revenue-neutral.  However, is it cost-perception neutral? 

I would need somebody with some auto economics knowhow to help me out on this, but it's my impression that people in China think about all those 6 fees when they buy a car -- and in fact, those fees seem to be some sort of disincentive for buying cars, because car consumers associate those fees with the lifecycle cost of owning the vehicle (as opposed to driving it).

Now, if that disincentive is taken away, and people feel a sense of ease about buying cars because the pressure is taken away from car ownership and put on car use, then I presume this will mean more car ownership.

Given that people who own cars seem to think "well, I spent this much on a car, how can I not use it regularly," would this increased ownership not actually result in increased car use -- and increased fuel use -- and increased traffic/sprawl/obsesity/other bad things associated with personal vehicle ownership?

I'm kinda thinking that increased gas taxes are a good thing, and that work does need to be done to make non-discretionary driving more socially equitable.  But I'm not convinced yet that a revenue-neutral gas tax is a sophisticated or environmentally-responsible enough strategy.

Comments?
[rjearley] at [icet.org.cn]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still forming an opinion on the gas tax, and have some questions that haven&#8217;t been directly addressed anywhere.  Basically, as you have stated, the tax is revenue-neutral.  However, is it cost-perception neutral? </p>
<p>I would need somebody with some auto economics knowhow to help me out on this, but it&#8217;s my impression that people in China think about all those 6 fees when they buy a car &#8212; and in fact, those fees seem to be some sort of disincentive for buying cars, because car consumers associate those fees with the lifecycle cost of owning the vehicle (as opposed to driving it).</p>
<p>Now, if that disincentive is taken away, and people feel a sense of ease about buying cars because the pressure is taken away from car ownership and put on car use, then I presume this will mean more car ownership.</p>
<p>Given that people who own cars seem to think &#8220;well, I spent this much on a car, how can I not use it regularly,&#8221; would this increased ownership not actually result in increased car use &#8212; and increased fuel use &#8212; and increased traffic/sprawl/obsesity/other bad things associated with personal vehicle ownership?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kinda thinking that increased gas taxes are a good thing, and that work does need to be done to make non-discretionary driving more socially equitable.  But I&#8217;m not convinced yet that a revenue-neutral gas tax is a sophisticated or environmentally-responsible enough strategy.</p>
<p>Comments?<br />
[rjearley] at [icet.org.cn]</p>
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		<title>By: Saudi Stag Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saudi Stag Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“May OPEC’s biggest nightmares come true”. I love this line ...The nightmare before Christmas, and may we be their scrooges for many an xmas to come ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“May OPEC’s biggest nightmares come true”. I love this line &#8230;The nightmare before Christmas, and may we be their scrooges for many an xmas to come <img src='http://greenleapforward.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: China Lets Market Set Coal Prices</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2008/12/07/more-petroleum-price-reforms-move-towards-the-market-and-higher-fuel-tax/#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator>China Lets Market Set Coal Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] government has used this period of falling energy prices to adjust its energy pricing structure.  Green Leap Forward and China Green Buildings have nice posts on China&#8217;s proposal to impose a gasoline and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] government has used this period of falling energy prices to adjust its energy pricing structure.  Green Leap Forward and China Green Buildings have nice posts on China&#8217;s proposal to impose a gasoline and [...]</p>
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