Comments on: Thinking Out of the Climate Box: Re-Examining Monolithic Approaches to the “Common But Differentiated Responsibilities” Impasse http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/ Tracking the emerging technological, commercial, political and social revolution that is greening China's red-hot economy. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:18:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: On “Common but Differentiated Responsibilities” « http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8527 On “Common but Differentiated Responsibilities” « Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:26:12 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8527 [...] 14, 2009 · No Comments There’s a long post at Green Leap Forward on frameworks for US-China cooperation on an international climate deal. One [...] [...] 14, 2009 · No Comments There’s a long post at Green Leap Forward on frameworks for US-China cooperation on an international climate deal. One [...]

]]> By: The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 » Climate Change Op-Ed on China Daily http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8451 The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 » Climate Change Op-Ed on China Daily Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:44:52 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8451 [...] The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进   « Thinking Out of the Climate Box: Re-Examining Monolithic Approaches to the “Common But Differe... [...] [...] The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进   « Thinking Out of the Climate Box: Re-Examining Monolithic Approaches to the “Common But Differe… [...]

]]> By: Andrew Stevenson http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8098 Andrew Stevenson Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:54:59 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8098 I think Hu's plan is a great way for determining burden sharing within China, and something similar could emerge on the international stage. The EU proposal is roughly along the same lines with developed mandatory cuts, developing with conditional cuts/financing, and least developed. China will no doubt fall in the second group. However, from the US perspective, I think the legal nature of the agreement with China (whether bilateral or multilateral), is much more important than the nature of China's reductions (sectoral, national, etc) or even the scale. If the US accepts a legally binding international commitment with penalties, China must as well (even if it's an intensity target or something like that). If China is only willing to make a political commitment internationally (although one that is domestically enforcable), the US will also only be willing to make a political commitment internationally (even if it could produce the exact same cap-and-trade system with the same reductions). I think Hu’s plan is a great way for determining burden sharing within China, and something similar could emerge on the international stage. The EU proposal is roughly along the same lines with developed mandatory cuts, developing with conditional cuts/financing, and least developed. China will no doubt fall in the second group.

However, from the US perspective, I think the legal nature of the agreement with China (whether bilateral or multilateral), is much more important than the nature of China’s reductions (sectoral, national, etc) or even the scale. If the US accepts a legally binding international commitment with penalties, China must as well (even if it’s an intensity target or something like that). If China is only willing to make a political commitment internationally (although one that is domestically enforcable), the US will also only be willing to make a political commitment internationally (even if it could produce the exact same cap-and-trade system with the same reductions).

]]> By: sustainablejohn http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8051 sustainablejohn Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:30:23 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8051 I also really like Hu's analysis and ideas of splitting up the provinces. I think what he meant for Guizhou is that it's a medium HDI province, but it's emissions aren't really high enough to be in the Hebei, Shandong, Shanxi, Henan, Hubei, Hunan group... A combination of sectoral/provincial cuts would be quite significant. Although the provinces with highest HDI, Zhejiang and Guangzhou, are more service and light manufacturing oriented (think electronics, including solar panels(!), and plastics, paper, etc.) whereas Jiangsu and Liaoning I think must have slightly lower HDIs and have a lot of light manufacturing but also decent shares of heavy manufacturing like steel (China's biggest source of emissions of any one single industry). Hebei is the steel powerhouse of China, I think twice more than any other province in terms of production, but it has a lower HDI... so this is where we would need a balance between provincial and sectoral. I also really like Hu’s analysis and ideas of splitting up the provinces. I think what he meant for Guizhou is that it’s a medium HDI province, but it’s emissions aren’t really high enough to be in the Hebei, Shandong, Shanxi, Henan, Hubei, Hunan group…

A combination of sectoral/provincial cuts would be quite significant. Although the provinces with highest HDI, Zhejiang and Guangzhou, are more service and light manufacturing oriented (think electronics, including solar panels(!), and plastics, paper, etc.) whereas Jiangsu and Liaoning I think must have slightly lower HDIs and have a lot of light manufacturing but also decent shares of heavy manufacturing like steel (China’s biggest source of emissions of any one single industry). Hebei is the steel powerhouse of China, I think twice more than any other province in terms of production, but it has a lower HDI… so this is where we would need a balance between provincial and sectoral.

]]> By: Charles Stewart Lee http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8015 Charles Stewart Lee Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:39:39 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8015 This is toooo good! Thanks for the very useful info :) This is toooo good!

Thanks for the very useful info :)

]]> By: Elizabeth Balkan http://greenleapforward.com/2009/04/08/thinking-out-of-the-climate-box-re-examining-monolithic-approaches-to-the-common-but-differentiated-responsibilities-impasse/#comment-8003 Elizabeth Balkan Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:17:57 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=180#comment-8003 Super, comprehensive post on the full range of issues and news items. Well done, Julian. eb Super, comprehensive post on the full range of issues and news items. Well done, Julian.

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