Comments on: A Stern Warning?: No Money for China — No Problem http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/10/a-stern-warning-no-money-for-china-no-probelm/ Tracking the emerging technological, commercial, political and social revolution that is greening China's red-hot economy. Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:08:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 » How Did China Fare in Copenhagen? A Critical Analysis by Someone Not in the Room http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/10/a-stern-warning-no-money-for-china-no-probelm/#comment-31722 The Green Leap Forward 绿跃进 » How Did China Fare in Copenhagen? A Critical Analysis by Someone Not in the Room Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:21:46 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=234#comment-31722 [...] that it is not the “first candidate” for such assistance (see previous post “A Stern Warning? No Money for China–No Problem“).  A more interesting question that was not pressed as much during the talks was whether [...] [...] that it is not the “first candidate” for such assistance (see previous post “A Stern Warning? No Money for China–No Problem“).  A more interesting question that was not pressed as much during the talks was whether [...]

]]> By: Patrick Lynch http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/10/a-stern-warning-no-money-for-china-no-probelm/#comment-30349 Patrick Lynch Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:41:03 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=234#comment-30349 Glad to see your posts, wish you had wider exposure in the West. I am struck by how much Western MSM is trying to turn the negotiations into a China VS the US contest (while giving only the US side of the issues). It is pretty pathetic. Stern has been nasty like only a defense lawyer with a very guilty client can be. It is pretty scary to watch the US try to wriggle it's way out of any serious commitments. It is not completely clear to me if the US intends to bring the whole thing to a halt while blaming China, or what. Money is of course a key. The sums demanded by developing countries are not that great in comparison to say, the sums given to banking robber barons.... People toss around the idea that China has a $2 trillion reserve as if this were money in the bank that could be spent at will. Alas, most media people fail to understand economics. I think you guys could perform a service if you explored this idea in depth. I personally think that $100 billion is probably too little, but also feel that it would be helpful to explore how this money might be spent worldwide. One of the weaknesses of the developing countries position is that without providing details, it all ends up sounding like slush funds or something. Thanks for being there! (I am in Beijing, where we had beautiful, if cold, weather today, and clean air!) peace. Glad to see your posts, wish you had wider exposure in the West.

I am struck by how much Western MSM is trying to turn the negotiations into a China VS the US contest (while giving only the US side of the issues). It is pretty pathetic.
Stern has been nasty like only a defense lawyer with a very guilty client can be.

It is pretty scary to watch the US try to wriggle it’s way out of any serious commitments. It is not completely clear to me if the US intends to bring the whole thing to a halt while blaming China, or what.

Money is of course a key. The sums demanded by developing countries are not that great in comparison to say, the sums given to banking robber barons….

People toss around the idea that China has a $2 trillion reserve as if this were money in the bank that could be spent at will. Alas, most media people fail to understand economics. I think you guys could perform a service if you explored this idea in depth.

I personally think that $100 billion is probably too little, but also feel that it would be helpful to explore how this money might be spent worldwide. One of the weaknesses of the developing countries position is that without providing details, it all ends up sounding like slush funds or something.

Thanks for being there! (I am in Beijing, where we had beautiful, if cold, weather today, and clean air!)

peace.

]]> By: Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies Blog » China in Copenhagen Day 5: No Country is an Island http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/10/a-stern-warning-no-money-for-china-no-probelm/#comment-29975 Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies Blog » China in Copenhagen Day 5: No Country is an Island Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:14:02 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=234#comment-29975 [...] the question again as to what his reaction to US special envoy Todd Stern said with regards to no financing money for China, Vice Minister He reiterated what Vice Minister Yu Qingtai said the other day: absolutely, [...] [...] the question again as to what his reaction to US special envoy Todd Stern said with regards to no financing money for China, Vice Minister He reiterated what Vice Minister Yu Qingtai said the other day: absolutely, [...]

]]> By: Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies Blog » China in Copenhagen, Day 4: Back to BASICs! http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/10/a-stern-warning-no-money-for-china-no-probelm/#comment-29914 Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies Blog » China in Copenhagen, Day 4: Back to BASICs! Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:42:05 +0000 http://greenleapforward.com/?p=234#comment-29914 [...] 3) Adaptation Assistance. The third point we want to draw out in the BASIC Copenhagen Accord is one that supports a point we made yesterday. The text specifies that a framework for adaptation should promote adaptation primarily in the least developed countries (LDCs), developing small island states, and African countries. We have heard from Ambassador Yu Qingtai and from the Chinese UN Mission Climate Advisor Liu Yuyin that China’s demand for a robust financial structure to an agreement is informed by China’s sense of responsibility in taking a leadership role among developing countries (see previous posts “China in Copenhagen Day 3: It’s getting hot in here – Tuvalu raises the bar, China reacts” and “A Stern Warning?: No Money for China – No Problem“). [...] [...] 3) Adaptation Assistance. The third point we want to draw out in the BASIC Copenhagen Accord is one that supports a point we made yesterday. The text specifies that a framework for adaptation should promote adaptation primarily in the least developed countries (LDCs), developing small island states, and African countries. We have heard from Ambassador Yu Qingtai and from the Chinese UN Mission Climate Advisor Liu Yuyin that China’s demand for a robust financial structure to an agreement is informed by China’s sense of responsibility in taking a leadership role among developing countries (see previous posts “China in Copenhagen Day 3: It’s getting hot in here – Tuvalu raises the bar, China reacts” and “A Stern Warning?: No Money for China – No Problem“). [...]

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